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发表于 2006-10-16 15:41 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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9 r/ a3 `  E  i# ^0 A* l, rOttawa eyes privatization of CMHC) S# a1 J3 E  A# z  v

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Globe and Mail Update" q2 |' c: z+ U8 u
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The federal government is quietly testing the waters about privatizing the national housing agency, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. — a move that could bring billions of dollars into Ottawa's coffers but would also upset social-housing advocates and possibly cause upheaval in the bond market.7 f% N0 f# P/ k( Q9 g* z
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A sale is not imminent, and observers believe there is no chance it would take place until after a federal election. Nor is there a cut-and-dried case in favour of privatization. But it's clear that the days of CMHC being a significant source of cash for the federal government are numbered — with or without privatization.9 o! ?7 X/ P. s, d0 ?
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CMHC, a Crown corporation charged with making housing more affordable and accessible, is making about $1-billion a year in profit and is sitting on a $5-billion reserve of retained profits.
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' h4 O# k2 T8 y+ ^* v" iThose reserves are expected to rise to $9.5-billion within four years, according to the agency's corporate plan.
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The riches have raised a big red flag, and now CMHC faces pressure from all sides.) i& {: L+ D7 m' W/ w3 J( K1 S

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2 \9 y7 A' Z. ]5 C' RSocial housing advocates and opposition parties want the excess reserves to be transferred over to fund more affordable housing.
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/ K. i+ G; a5 d5 @+ p& {$ r) cAnd the federal government has signalled it wants out of the housing business altogether, arguing that it's a provincial responsibility.( w* w% k! W8 M/ [0 Z. _8 `+ D8 o. D
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The solution to these pressures, sources say, could be privatization: selling the commercial parts of the agency to the private sector and keeping the social-housing parts of the corporation within government for now.* f& u8 t8 f) F% V

; i2 |5 ^; R) [) Y# z& U/ l  \“Trial balloons are being floated around” and can be traced back to Finance Minister Jim Flaherty's office, one Bay Street source said.* R+ m! x  G7 k8 N; P- ~
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“This has been in the wind for a couple of months now,” said another private sector source.: D; w1 g2 V7 }3 q

# h7 K- g% C" @Rumours and speculation are rife among those with vested interests, although officials in Mr. Flaherty's office and at the CMHC all deny having any knowledge of such chatter.
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: n2 K9 ?+ Z& p  b5 p# O& CThe Crown corporation was created in the 1940s so that the state's access to cheap capital could be leveraged to make mortgages and home ownership affordable for most credit-worthy Canadian residents.
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$ \3 D: [3 }9 m7 r% WIt now has four divisions: affordable housing, aboriginal housing, mortgage insurance and securitization.- z0 n* o/ k" `8 R9 |
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The first two divisions depend on government funding of about $2-billion a year. The mortgage insurance and securitization units are run like commercial operations, and that's where CMHC makes all its money. (The government does not let the agency cross-subsidize from one unit to another so that the mortgage insurance and securitization divisions are truly commercial.) About 96 per cent of the agency's profit comes from mortgage insurance. CMHC controls about 70 per cent of the country's mortgage insurance market, with the other 30 per cent held by Genworth Financial, a U.S.-based multinational formerly known as GE Mortgage Insurance Canada.4 \) [& @( j9 n' y
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The duopoly in the growing and lucrative mortgage insurance market will officially come to an end this week. A change in rules passed earlier this year means that new entrants will be able to enter Canada's mortgage insurance market if they get approval from federal authorities, and now at least three U.S.-based companies are lining up to do so.
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; }1 Y3 u+ {* m$ \! ]' W5 _' Z: mWhile CMHC's securitization division doesn't make the agency much money, it is a key player in Canada's bond market. CMHC issues government-backed bonds based on pools of insured mortgages, and has become one of the largest bond issuers in the Canadian market. In 2004, it issued almost $30-billion in mortgage-backed securities.
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With liquidity in sovereign bonds deteriorating as governments pay down debt, investors increasingly rely on CMHC's securities for their contingent of government-backed bonds.
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“There is a weak case to be made for a Crown corporation to be involved in correcting private market failures that once restrained home ownership,” he writes in an analysis issued this summer. “As such, the CMHC should be fully privatized while pursuing other complementary policy reforms.”! ~0 F  d; o4 A7 K
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But there are several key reasons that privatization of CMHC could well be rejected as a viable option.
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For one, capital markets are hooked on the agency's bonds. While proponents of privatization argue that the markets will just have to learn to live with fewer government-backed securities and make do with the ample supply of corporate bonds, there are signs that the Bank of Canada and the federal government wish to keep the government bond market highly liquid., E, A7 z# W: Q
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Plus, there's no guarantee that a sale of CMHC would be as successful as hoped. An auction would have to bring Ottawa a lump sum that more than makes up for CMHC's substantial revenue stream.$ o' W+ W+ ~/ n/ t* T

  d$ Q; [- x6 \  Y! E9 j( x0 ?Privatizing CMHC would also be politically sensitive. Social-housing advocates fear that government support for affordable housing would get short shrift. “Behind this maze of commercialization, cost-cutting, downloading and competition are some very important questions about social housing,” says Michael Shapcott, a senior fellow at Toronto's Wellesley Institute.* `7 Y1 R! d! E. l- j; n& n
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CMHC's president, Karen Kinsley, argues in defence of her agency. About one-third of CMHC's insurance customers are people or organizations that the private-sector — Genworth, for now — won't touch, she said. With files from reporter Elizabeth Church
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发表于 2006-10-16 16:16 | 显示全部楼层
什么意思呀?啥叫利空呀。看英文也没看明白。我白出国这么多年了。
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发表于 2006-10-16 16:39 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 bin8922 于 2006-10-16 16:16 发表
- T/ ]9 m7 ~% W  E; O3 _2 j3 b什么意思呀?啥叫利空呀。看英文也没看明白。我白出国这么多年了。
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利空嘛就是那个,嗯,主要意思是,请z解释一下就行了。
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发表于 2006-10-16 17:01 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
只看了标题,估计醉酒的预言要实现了。
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发表于 2006-10-16 18:06 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 老杨 于 2006-10-16 17:01 发表
4 d! p: o2 c+ r0 H# A( n只看了标题,估计醉酒的预言要实现了。

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: \6 H7 B0 a1 k. N4 @只看了标题, 估计再过两个星期这里的房价就要平均10块钱一个single house了, 哈哈. 老杨, 多买多送啊!
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[ 本帖最后由 音响神仙鱼 于 2006-10-16 18:08 编辑 ]
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发表于 2006-10-16 18:10 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 音响神仙鱼 于 2006-10-16 18:06 发表
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只看了标题, 估计再过两个星期这里的房价就要平均10块钱一个single house了, 哈哈. 老杨, 多买多送啊!

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发表于 2006-10-16 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 音响神仙鱼 于 2006-10-16 18:06 发表* x: M1 K/ T' C. |# h4 g( l

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只看了标题, 估计再过两个星期这里的房价就要平均10块钱一个single house了, 哈哈. 老杨, 多买多送啊!

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真的?那我花5块买个Duplex。
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发表于 2006-10-16 18:58 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-10-16 18:13 发表- t5 [! f4 Z1 v- o% ^8 ?+ o6 x

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发表于 2006-10-16 21:21 | 显示全部楼层
危言耸听,跟巨大梨空还离着10万8千里呢
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发表于 2006-10-16 21:51 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
CMHC一但失去垄断地位,竞争的结果应该对借款人有利,相信这将会是一个房市利多消息
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发表于 2006-10-16 21:58 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 音响神仙鱼 于 2006-10-16 18:58 发表
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不行, 5块只能买condo!  

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呵呵,老杨给出价格了,7块!
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发表于 2006-10-16 22:08 | 显示全部楼层
就是再加上在多条利多消息,市场已经没有任何上升空间,市场需要休息,恢复到理性阶段。下跌回调势不可挡,不以你我意志为转移。
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原帖由 abcdefgh 于 2006-10-16 21:51 发表' y6 k7 T! R1 i7 O
CMHC一但失去垄断地位,竞争的结果应该对借款人有利,相信这将会是一个房市利多消息
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发表于 2006-10-16 22:09 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
真到了那天,恐怕不要钱,白送你也不会要。
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原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-10-16 18:13 发表" E/ v0 C5 G" S) f+ b! H0 x

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发表于 2006-10-16 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 醉酒当歌 于 2006-10-16 22:09 发表- _+ D. |2 ?  c, |" t
真到了那天,恐怕不要钱,白送你也不会要。
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白送当然要了,房子白送,地税免交! **主义真要实现了吗?马恩列毛会流下8行清泪的。
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发表于 2006-10-16 22:39 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 abcdefgh 于 2006-10-16 21:51 发表
2 ], f/ {# E9 v, I" ?( _CMHC一但失去垄断地位,竞争的结果应该对借款人有利,相信这将会是一个房市利多消息

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发表于 2006-10-16 22:39 | 显示全部楼层
现在的房地产市场,价格已达到人们的心里价位,如没有场外大量资金介入,回调已成定局。由于EDMONTON的市场启动比较晚,炒家还有大量资金没有套现,多空双方均在观望,炒家想在理想价位出场也恐怕不太容易。* \0 O8 i! ~4 M6 H* J$ Q0 U% a
在心理上,买家比卖家更有心里优势。耐心等待是最还得策略。
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发表于 2006-10-16 23:01 | 显示全部楼层
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有可能,扫描了一下各大华人网站,只有这里反应明显。2 Z. P+ k# R/ n
我最希望爱城西南区的Magrath山顶豪宅下跌30-50%甚至更多,也给我一次改正错误的机会,买进那优美爱城风光的房子。市场就是这样TNND不给机会。害得我们单相思。
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发表于 2006-10-16 23:25 | 显示全部楼层
支持,到时候我也去买。自住下跌20%就可以考虑,投资下调30%后就可以考虑吃进。
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我最希望爱城西南区的Magrath山顶豪宅下跌30-50%甚至更多,也给我一次改正错误的机会,买进那优美爱城风光的房子。 ...
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发表于 2006-10-16 23:28 | 显示全部楼层
我是会等到市场回调结束以后。反正已经开始了,就等吧。
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原帖由 老农民 于 2006-10-16 22:39 发表
0 T" L, w1 j9 M: A现在的房地产市场,价格已达到人们的心里价位,如没有场外大量资金介入,回调已成定局。由于EDMONTON的市场启动比较晚,炒家还有大量资金没有套现,多空双方均在观望,炒家想在理想价位出场也恐怕不太容易。
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发表于 2006-10-17 08:24 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
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支持,到时候我也去买。自住下跌20%就可以考虑,投资下调30%后就可以考虑吃进。
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800K X 80% = 640K, conclusion: you won't buy it for sure.
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-10-17 08:42 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 abcdefgh 于 2006-10-16 21:51 发表+ C# Y2 W9 D8 d0 }4 R
CMHC一但失去垄断地位,竞争的结果应该对借款人有利,相信这将会是一个房市利多消息
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一旦CMHC失去政府靠山,自身的风险度大大增加,信用等级降低。必然会缩小房贷规模或提高利率以规避风险。
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原帖由 Z 于 2006-10-17 08:42 发表7 l1 E' L+ c& g3 J: W+ d6 Z
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2 Y0 v" V2 |4 M% \' S( x/ r一旦CMHC失去政府靠山,自身的风险度大大增加,信用等级降低。必然会缩小房贷规模或提高利率以规避风险。

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, \& X) X- j: \$ U" \  i9 D" bOn the contrary, my broker told me 2 weeks ago that the current CMHC premium rate is lower than last year.  You can doublecheck with mortgage people...
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-10-17 11:03 | 显示全部楼层
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$ `; z( z  Y& DOn the contrary, my broker told me 2 weeks ago that the current CMHC premium rate is lower than last year.  You can doublecheck with mortgage people...
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What you are talking about has nothing to do with the CMHC privatization. Please read the article before commenting.
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原帖由 Z 于 2006-10-17 11:03 发表) J( ]5 K. W$ `
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CMHC has not been privatized yet. It won't be for at least one more year.% m+ _+ Q, n1 g# E6 e5 {
What you are talking about has nothing to do with the CMHC privatization. Please read the article before commenting.
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. n! I3 d  e+ j2 A. G0 ?I was commenting on that particular post - that was why I quoted it ... I don't care about the original article.
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-10-17 13:47 | 显示全部楼层
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原帖由 gorilla_ch 于 2006-10-17 11:10 发表
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I was commenting on that particular post - that was why I quoted it ... I don't care about the original article.
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- and I am commenting on your particular post now...
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发表于 2006-10-17 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 音响神仙鱼 于 2006-10-16 18:06 发表; `: l4 H& N1 S6 w

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只看了标题, 估计再过两个星期这里的房价就要平均10块钱一个single house了, 哈哈. 老杨, 多买多送啊!
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先预订100套,
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原帖由 老杨 于 2006-10-17 15:20 发表/ @& |0 a/ e% `9 T# v* Q+ l
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先预订100套,

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A RICH MAN
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发表于 2006-10-17 17:41 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 Phaeton 于 2006-10-17 15:27 发表0 d7 U( S5 X+ |0 T

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9 U6 \: S& N6 f100套才$1000而已,小case了!
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发表于 2006-10-17 17:50 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
原帖由 老杨 于 2006-10-17 17:41 发表
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100套才$1000而已,小case了!

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交地税,按照每套1200/年,老杨先交12w来。
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发表于 2006-10-19 23:11 | 显示全部楼层
请教一下:
9 N' f" @& h# d; |: j1 GCMHC 和 银行的 mortgage 有啥不同。 我们买房都是从银行(i.e. RBC, BMO,..)借的mortgage。
$ e9 N3 w2 c! T7 @0 O6 ICMHC 和 银行 是平等关系,还是借贷关系。
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